motetus: (inception / arthur)
[personal profile] motetus
Well, I thought I'd be starting this post with a lengthy grumble about how much I hate Tumblr as a place to post my fanart, but then a silly little rare-pair drawing of mine got found by the awesome person who wrote the story that inspired it and it seemed to make them happy, and that made me giddy as anything. So perhaps I will not burn my Tumblr blog to the ground this week.

And then I thought I'd rant about the ridiculous shit that's going on at work with the labsibling, but then I had a drink, bitched to twitter, and spent a few days reassuring myself that a) my supervisor is on my side and b) the twat has only harmed himself and I'm better off not being friends with someone who's capable of such a shitty thing.

So instead you get art, which is so much better than having to listen to me whine, isn't it?

I should have known when I said "I'm totally not getting into Dragon Age fandom" that I was talking rubbish and that's how I officially start getting into every fandom I've ever been in. But I've found a tiny happy Blackwall, Dorian and Sera corner, and I'm happy to sit there and draw ridiculous things like this:

...FFA nonnies may have talked me into this ship, but it's not like I needed much convincing when there's this much magnificent facial hair! Though I can't buy anything happening between the two until Dorian's found copious amounts of soap and wrangled Blackwall into the tub.

And also a cosy Parasaurolophus for Carmarthen, to keep her satisfied until I finish Dinoception.

Talking of which, I am determined to knuckle down and finish that thing tonight, after a year of dithering on it. If I don't have it posted by tomorrow, I give you all permission to beat me, or at least make disapproving clucking noises.

Date: 2015-02-19 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
What is your tumblr? I need to follow you.

Edited Date: 2015-02-19 04:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-02-19 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hah, how on earth did you guess what it was? You are so very clever!

Date: 2015-02-19 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I often comment before I think. It's a bad habit /o\

Date: 2015-02-19 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
One that I have too! Spend 10 minutes composing a comment that doesn't make me look like a fool, realise the stupid thing I've said in the 0.04 seconds after hitting post.

Date: 2015-02-19 04:59 pm (UTC)
ext_25678: (kitty)
From: [identity profile]
Dinoception ... the title alone gets me drooling! I like to think that the Parasaurolophus is surviving the Ice Age, into our current one! Which is what, the Quaternary Age?

Oh dear. The labsibling sounds out of hand. It's difficult to separate 'work' friends from 'just plain friends,' but I remember having to do that at Corporate America. My sympathies ...

Date: 2015-02-19 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hah, I stole the title (along with the whole idea of the thing) from someone far more imaginative than me. Why have to think of something clever when someone else can do it for me? :D

Alas, the labsibling is refusing to even make eye contact or say hello to me, let alone us being work friends. It's all terribly unprofessional and awkward and sad.

Date: 2015-02-20 12:39 am (UTC)
ext_25678: (cupid)
From: [identity profile]
And 'co-worker' actually describes the situation best - it's non-judgmental - though it's awfully nice when 'co-worker' turns into real friend no matter the environment. I had that happen, too, though mostly it was 'out of sight, out of mind,' when leaving one job for another ...

Meh. Onto tumblr and smut!

Date: 2015-02-20 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
You're a very wise person. Why waste time fretting about such things when there are pictures of hot hairy naked men on the internet!

Date: 2015-02-19 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Still the best Parasaurolophus.

I'm a little curious why you don't like Tumblr for posting art - one of the main arguments I've seen for it is "artists like it more so that's why it doesn't matter that conversation is difficult." Which is a bit of a non sequitur, but it does seem popular with artists...

Date: 2015-02-19 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I put Parasaurolophus into Dinoception! But they are very small, because they are far away.

Yeah, I've heard people say that artists prefer it and I guess it gets you a lot more exposure than somewhere like LJ (well, if you're a popular artist - if not you have to hope you're in a popular fandom or a bnf reblogs your stuff, otherwise it'll sink like a stone at the pace Tumblr moves), but I can't love it. I guess I *do* want conversation - not necessarily compliments and praise, just a chance to interact with people. It's really not very satisfying to work on something for weeks/months, and then just get a number indicating how many times people have clicked a button upon seeing it, and things said in the tags are very hard to respond to without coming across as rather stalkerish. I do love people who add text to the reblog and often send them a message to say thanks, but I think the popular opinion is that artists don't like it when people do that? And then I realise I'm doing the same thing to other artists, reblogging lovely things they've clearly worked on for ages with just "beautiful" while I'll spend a lot more time coming up with a comment for fic, and that just doesn't seem fair.

Really, what would make me happy is if AO3 was made more welcoming to fanartists, but I've given up waiting for that to happen. Argh, all this makes me feel horribly entitled. Damn you, I thought I *wasn't* going to rant about Tumblr! :P

Date: 2015-02-19 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Arrrgh, sorry, I didn't mean to send you off onto a rant. And I don't think it's entitled to want AO3 to do something they've paid lip service to for ages and totally failed to implement (and I, as someone who loves fanart, would LOVE for it to be easier to post and find on AO3). How's DeviantArt these days?

Anyway, yeah, Tumblr culture is...weird. I've managed to build up a small circle of people I am comfortable with conversing with via reblog and message and replying to tags with, and they're fantastic—but it took a long time to do that, I made a lot of social mistakes on the way, it's still technologically clunky, and you're right that there's this weird social attitude that actually providing direct feedback or initiating conversation with people you don't already know is annoying or gauche. Most people probably don't mind and actually WANT interaction, but all it takes it being reamed out by some jerk for sullying their post with commentary or conversation.

I think I've had a better Tumblr experience than most of the people I know still using LJ (hence my uh...not so much using it, although I might if there were a better mobile app - tbh I think lack of a mobile app is what has killed DW as a fannish platform, and LJ just has slightly more inertia), but even after what, about 2 years? I still find many aspects of Tumblr culture utterly bizarre. It's a platform full of people who long for conversation and interaction, with a strong culture of Don't Think Anyone Wants To Hear You, compounded by a tendency to eat messages, which people then assume are being ignored.

Date: 2015-02-19 07:38 pm (UTC)
fififolle: (Primeval - Creatures Dirty Love)
From: [personal profile] fififolle
Urgh, that lab situation sounds horrid. I hope it all improves, good job your supervisor is on the right side :)
That's an adorable parasaurolophus! He does look very cosy x
Good luck with Dinoception <3

Date: 2015-02-19 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Parasaurolophuses may have terrible clashing fashion sense, but they still look adorable! And thanks! Dinoception just needs a few tiny pterosaurs shoved into the sky, and then it will be done, finally, thank the maker. It's a good thing I love dinosaurs so much, otherwise everything would be on fire by now.

Date: 2015-02-19 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Can I give you a great big hug of solidarity, re: grumbles about Tumblr? (And another one, re: shit happening at work) /GREAT BIG HUGS/ Glad to hear the supervisor is on your side!
And I completely adore your Dragon Age fanart! WHAT A CUTE SCENE :333

P.S. How would you feel about me following you on twitter? (I don't actually post much of anything there, but I love to read what other people have to say.)

Date: 2015-02-19 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh man, come have a drink and a grumble in my corner! People, huh? I do hope your trials aren't too awful. *hugs*

Yes, please do follow me on twitter! I'm the same username over there, though I can't promise I post regularly to it, or that anything I do post is remotely insightful or witty. But yes, do feel free to (I only keep it locked because very occasionally I want to make growling noises about work and don't want to risk non-fandom people coming across it).

Date: 2015-02-23 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Not really trials, but some things can get terribly annoying :).
It's just that I've been known to say exactly the same thing you said to Carmarthen earlier, in nearly the same words, and got the response along the lines of, "But LJ suuuucks!" and "But artists love tumblr!". Ugh. So it was refreshing to find someone who understands :).

Speaking of AO3, I don't think it's the site itself (although they could maybe add something to easily distinguish art from fic at glance?), but the readers - people skip things with "0 words" and the Fanart tag; god forbid a story is a secondary thing to a drawing and not the other way around. And I heard others say, "I'd like people to post standalone art to AO3", but even if something is attached to a popular story, it's still... not good enough. Or something. (Please excuse the rant - I do love AO3, most of the time, but it's no less frustrating to use than tumblr.)

Date: 2015-02-19 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I have no idea what Dragon Age is about, but I'm always happy to see some guys in a bathtub together! From your description I take it that the Blackwall fellow is some kind of mudlark?

And the dinosaur is cute in his winter clothes.

As for Tumblr, I agree. I often look up some Tumblr blogs for the photos, but the lack of comments is the reason why I hope that some folks will continue to use LJ.

Date: 2015-02-20 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hah, yes, that he is! That Blackwall one lives in a barn and there are some amusing moments in the game where the fellow in the bath with him mocks his personal hygiene, so I suspect this is more like dubious consent bathing. But he does have a wonderful beard and the kind of bulky, hairy body that I find quite the turn-on, so I love the character despite how he probably smells pretty awful (also he has a Dark Past and does lots of self-loathing grovelling because of it, which is always appealing in a man. Yes, grovel in the dirt more!).

Well, I'll be clinging to LJ for a while longer! I will give Tumblr this: it gets my morning off to an excellent start when I scroll through it first thing after waking up and am met by a whole lot of posts of hot men and adorable fluffy animals.

Date: 2015-02-19 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm just grateful to know wonderful fanartists like yourself here on LJ because I'd hate for Tumblr to be my only interaction point. For all the reasons you've listed, it's a terrible place to hold any kinds of conversations.

And when you do comment you wonder if you've done something inappropriate or said something that the artist will hate.

Aaaaaaand messages often don't arrive so you might send someone love in their box and hear nothing back, and spend a couple of weeks agonising over whether they got it and think you're a loser, or whether it didn't get to them and they'll never know how much you loved their awesome thing. It's a stupid, flawed and fundamentally antisocial platform and I fucking hate it.

On the other hand, I've never had a problem with AO3. I've sorted my own hosting environment and upload all my art there where it won't get censored by arseholes like Photobucket (who once removed several of mu images because of offensive content), and it's easy to create a post on Ao3 and source the html link to post the art in it, so I'm quite comfortable there.

eta- I also thought I'd add a thought to what you were saying about a BNF reblogging you being the only way to get exposure - SO TRUE. And the thing is. you'll pour your heart into something and get 5 notes on it, but then a thing that you did for Teen Wolf 3 years ago which is craptastic, suddenly gets picked up by a notable blog after languishing in obscurity for ever and gets like a thousand notes on it overnight and you look at your life, look at your choices and think ...WHY. WHY THIS UGLY THING AND NOT THE BEAUTIFUL THING I LOVE.

Thank you for this post. I hope your lab situation improves and you have a wonderful weekend ♥
Edited Date: 2015-02-19 11:27 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-02-20 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Re your eta: God, yes. I'll tell you why: BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TASTE. My most popular things are bland, boring little things I churned out in a few hours, but because they're simple and fluffy and fits their blog's "aesthetic" everyone seems to love them. I think this happens to everyone though - I've seen many authors frustrated that the short porny kinkmeme fill they wrote in a few hours while slightly drunk one evening has thousands of comments/kudos, while the thought out, plotty longfic they spent a year lovingly crafting gets barely any attention. So I try not to let that bother me too much...

Huh, I have been wondering about using AO3 to upload art (I think they might have just changed things so it now says creator instead of author in the header?), I've just been put off by the lack of separate category and the occasional comment I see about how people aren't looking for fanart when they're browsing AO3. Do you know if it's possible to post stuff and not have it turn up at the top of the fandom feed? I really don't want to spam everyone with a dozen old drawings.

Thank you for the lovely long comment and the opportunity to rant all over your journal! <3 It is reassuring to know I'm not the only artist with these feelings, especially after (as Carmarthen said earlier) many artists say they prefer Tumblr to other places. It's... yeah, very antisocial. I know some people have managed to make good friends and a pleasant community (I suppose that depends highly on what fandom you're in), but in the two or so years I've used Tumblr I haven't formed anything like the kind of friendships I've made through LJ, and I'll be rather sad if LJ dies off and we're all stuck with that shitty platform.

Date: 2015-02-21 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think there's a way to backdate. People subscribed will still receive notifications, but it will put the works lower in the feed.

Date: 2015-02-23 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ah, thank you! That's good to know - I may end up doing that and uploading my favourite drawings, if only to reassure curious people who click through to my profile that I can draw better than those Hannibal/Will bacon lube pictures suggest, they were deliberately bad, dammit...

Date: 2015-02-22 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
You can backdate works but there's hardly any point - it will still email people who are subscribed to you. I for one wouldn't have an issue with that, but if you're feeling worried about spamming folks, maybe spread the love over a few weeks.

Yes, the change from Author to Creator is well under way, being changed through the archive. It still appears in some places but they're implementing the amendment, so that's very good for us, and for podficcers, etc. About time.

I often feel like I am my art is too old, too stuffy, too everything for Tumblr. If one is producing chibis, one can probably expect to do quite well. Photoshop painting seems to do quite well too. And lots of other stuff that isn't me.

That's fine. I'll just be over here in my corner with my charcoal hands and my attempts at realism and my LJ flist which I love ♥
Edited Date: 2015-02-22 03:26 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-02-23 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Old? Stuffy? I don't fucking think so. Yes, you're right in that there are certain styles and mediums that get you popular quite easily, but a) the popular stuff isn't always so good (admittedly this is my opinion, but my opinion is the best and everyone else's is inferior), and b) it would be kind of sad if all art stuck to the same look, no? Personally, I love seeing non-digital art. It's relatively rare and is something that I find incredibly difficult - I sometimes think people don't appreciate the skill required to pull it off successfully when you don't have your fancy tools that allow you to fix that issue 20 hours in where you realise the head you've painted is way too big for the rest of the body - and I wish there was so much more of it (just not created by me, because all that produces is crying and sulking and mistaking my paintbrush wash mug for my tea mug).

Date: 2015-02-25 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
You know, I never thought of digital art that way but you're very right, it would be a lot easier to fix mistakes!! No wonder that even freehand-looking things are so neat, all the dodgy lines can be disappeared. WOW. That's... wow. Shit. I"m so fucking jealous! lol

And really, I love getting my hands dirty so I'm not likely ever to give that away. I'll just please myself and if someone likes it, great. If not, I'll try and adapt your attitude of THEY ARE STUPIDHEADS AND HAVE NO TASTE, SO THERE.

Date: 2015-02-20 04:24 am (UTC)
bauble: (lady windswept hair)
From: [personal profile] bauble
*hugs again* on the labsib situation.

That dino image is so cute. Love the stylish accessories.

And awwww, Dorian! I must say that one of my favorite things ever in fic or art is sexy bathtimes.

Date: 2015-02-20 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Thank you. I'm trying not to let it get to me, but my pathetic longing for everyone to like me does make it tricky. Man, scientists and their awful social interaction skills.

Like many fanfic things, I think sexy bathtimes is something I enjoy in fic but refuse in RL. In fic/art it's adorable and sexy, in RL it's more "for god's sake stop squirming and ow, you just accidentally kneed me somewhere sensitive, dammit I just wanted to relax in the tub after a long day, WILL YOU GET OUT AND LEAVE ME IN PEACE".

Date: 2015-02-20 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That is a lovely parasauralophus. Which is also my favorite species of dinosaur!

Dorian is the one who kind of looks like Freddie Mercury, right?

Date: 2015-02-20 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I must confess I always thought them boring, but then I looked up exactly how large a parasauralophus was - they're so huge and bulky but with adorable little heads! I love them now, and I think they'd make excellent mounts.

Haha, yes, that would be Dorian and his fantastic moustache and even more fantastic arse. I would have so many more fanworks to devour if I could ship him and Iron Bull, but unfortunately I've found I much prefer it when the larger, more muscular character is the super subby one. Thanks for that Eagle fandom, I'm pretty sure you gave me that.

Date: 2015-02-21 09:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Also they could probably honk, which I think is a huge bonus for a dinosaur.

Date: 2015-02-21 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
omg that parasaurolophus is SO CUTE *incoherent squeaking noises*

Date: 2015-02-23 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Now you have me wondering if baby parasaurolophuses and their tiny cranial crests made little squeaking noises too...


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